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    • #1716
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      The Tax Institute is running another webinar, the third in the current COVID-19 support measures series, on Tuesday 21 September.

      We will be discussing the latest updates on the NSW support measures, as well as the Victorian Small Business COVID Hardship Fund, and what’s on offer in all other states and territories.

      But we would also love to hear what issues you’d like to see covered in the webinar. We can’t guarantee to cover everything you raise, but we’re interested to hear from you and understand your concerns with the current support measures. Scott Treatt , CTA, is facilitating, and will assist me in addressing your issues.

      Please post your thoughts, comments and ideas below.

      The webinar is free for TTI members and you can register here.

      I look forward to seeing you next Tuesday.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1725
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Today I delivered the 2021 COVID-19 support measures webinar: Part 3.

      The following topics were discussed:

      • JobSaver retesting requirement
      • Circling back to answer unresolved questions on JobSaver and the grants programs raised in previous webinars
      • What’s on offer in all other states and territories

      What questions did the discussion raise for you?

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1726
      BlakeScheffers
      Participant

      Thanks Robyn for the webinar today. It was very informative. One question I have been asked already a number of times was in relation to the following statement on the JobSaver Common Questions Service NSW page – “September payments will continue even if you do not confirm eligibility. However, any payments after that will only be processed once eligibility is confirmed.”

      Will a business that does not have the 30% decline in turnover for the fortnight 13-26 September 2021 receive the JobSaver payment in respect of that fortnight?

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    • #1727
      MargaretColeman
      Participant

      Following on from Blake’s question, if the business does get the 13-26 September payment (automatically) but has not had the 30% decline in turnover for that fortnight, will they have to repay the payment?

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    • #1728
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Thank you Blake and Margaret for engagement and your questions.
      This is a recurring question, and one which I shall escalate to the NSW Government at tomorrow’s Working Group meeting.

      Here are some of the questions I shall be raising:

      • If payments for the period 13-26 September 2021 will be paid automatically, does a business have to confirm for this period?
      • If a business doesn’t confirm that the DIT for the period 13-26 Sep is 30% or more, receives the payment automatically, and doesn’t have a minimum DIT of 30% for that period, will they have to repay it?
      • What happens for the period from 11-18 Oct (until the scheduled end of the program) as this is not a full fortnight?
      • What happens if a business has already confirmed for 30 Aug-11 Sep, or 13-26 Sep when that webpage was temporarily available before it reverted to 30 Aug-11 Sep?
      • Who reconfirms where the accountant lodged the initial application but no longer acts for the business?

      I will share further information as it becomes available.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

       

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    • #1729
      JenniferBrien
      Participant

      Robyn thank you so much for this webinar. You do a amazing webinar what ever topic you tackle. In regard to this webinar. I note for

      • MB Grant you have the period from 20 September to 3 October 2021. However  https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/confirm-your-business-still-eligible-covid-19-micro-business-grant      in the examples state  “you are now reconfirming your eligibility for the period of 13 September to 26 September 2021” as I will be advising clients and not confirming eligibility please can you confirm which is the first fortnight to be confirmed for MB Grant?
      • Further is the program  to be extended beyond 18 October 2021 or if not does  reconfirmations need to be finalised by this date? Regards, Jenny
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      • #1730
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Jenny

        Thank you  🙂

        I have captured those two questions and will be raising these with the NSW Government in our meeting later today.

        I will provide a response when able.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1733
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      Following a meeting with the NSW Government this afternoon, I can provide the following update to the information presented at our 2021 COVID-19 support measures webinar: Part 3 on 21 September:

      1. Do businesses need to confirm eligibility for the fortnight 13–26 September 2021 at all, if the September payment will be made anyway? — A business will be unable to confirm its next fortnight unless the previous one is confirmed, so a business will not receive any October payments unless it confirms 13–26 September. A business that remains eligible should confirm for the fortnight 13–26 September so that it can continue to receive payments in October. A business that is no longer eligible should confirm it doesn’t continue to experience the requisite DIT for 13–26 September, so that it no longer receives payments. A business that is no longer eligible and does not confirm for the fortnight 13–26 September (i.e. does nothing) to receive the September payment can expect Service NSW (SNSW) to investigate later and recover the overpayment.
      2. Accountant applied for JobSaver but no longer acts for the business — SNSW will look into resolving this issue which is preventing the business from confirming or allowing their new accountant to confirm on their behalf.
      3. Victorian accountant unable to confirm due to identity requirements — An issue has been identified where the inability to provide ID in the form of a NSW driver’s licence is resulting in a lack of full functionality on the confirmation page, preventing the Victorian accountant from being able to confirm for the NSW client. This is being investigated. This may affect accountants in other states or territories outside NSW.
      4. Emails from SNSW lacking identifying details/reference numbers cannot be identified to a client — This issue has been raised a few times. We are advised that this will be rectified very soon.
      5. Employing sole traders — Concerns have been expressed about sole traders claiming JobSaver for their employees where the sole trader cannot claim JobSaver for themselves and is also not eligible for Commonwealth Disaster Payments. They therefore receive no direct personal government support. Our policy concerns around this issue have been raised for the consideration of the NSW Government.
      6. Reporting headcount where resignation — If a business had 10 employees on 13 July 2021, and one resigned after that date, the business should tick ‘Yes’ to maintaining its employee headcount and report 9 employees (i.e. the actual number of employees at the time of the re-attestation).
      7. Micro-business Grant period — There is some inconsistent guidance regarding the first fortnight that businesses need to confirm eligibility for the Micro-business Grant. The NSW Government has confirmed it is 20 September to 3 October 2021.

      We will continue to keep you updated through our various communications channels.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1734
      SueVukici
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

       

      Thank you for such a detailed yet no-fuss explanation of the current circumstances and rules regarding Jobsaver moving forward.  My query is in relation to clients of mine who would have used the 12 June to 25 June 2021 comparison option if it had been available at the time of applying for the Jobsaver Grant.  Under what circumstances if any are they able to choose that comparison period now?

       

       

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      • #1735
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Sue

        Thank you for your comment and query. This is one of the issues we have raised with the NSW Government. I will provide further information when able.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1736
      JenniferBrien
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Thanks for the above.

      Kind regards

      Jenny

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    • #1737
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Your efforts on this program are much appreciated, but I’m still a little confused on which period we have to do the reconfirmations for. Is the first period 13 September to 26 September or 30 August to 12 September

      The Service NSW website, when you are logged in and looking at your clients applications, is still showing the reconfirmation period to receive Payments for the 30 August to 12 September.

      Is Service NSW updating / changing this to 13 September to 26 September ? if so do we have any idea when this will be ?

      Should we reconfirm for the period 30 August to 12 September or wait till Service NSW updates the changes the page ?

      If the page is to be updated, what happens where a client has already re-confirmed for the period 30 August to 12 September. Does that re-confirmation get wiped from the system and ignored ?

      What happens for a client where they are not eligible for the period 30 August to 12 September as they haven’t had the required 30% drop in Turnover. Is that still paid anyway or do we need to process the reconfirmation now, so as to stop the payments ?

      Many thanks

       

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      • #1738
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Gregory

        There has been a lot of confusion around the dates to reconfirm eligiblity.

        On Friday 10 September, without prior notice, Service NSW (SNSW) advised businesses and NFPs to reconfirm their eligiblity for JobSaver for the fortnight 30 August to 11 September — a period of just 13 days, not 14 days. The error was corrected to 30 August to 12 September.

        Following feedback from The Tax Institute and the other professional bodies in the Working Group with the NSW Government, SNSW agreed to defer the commencement of reconfirming eligiblity for a fortnight to allow time for consultation to improve the process. Accordingly, the date on the confirmation webpage changed to 13 September to 26 September.

        We then provided feedback to SNSW that this would create the false impression that businesses and NFPs could estimate or project their turnover for 13 September to 26 September, before the fortnight had ended. In fact, some did confirm before the fortnight had ended. So the dates reverted to 30 August to 12 September.

        In the next few days, the webpage will be updated again to show 13 September to 26 September, as the end of this fortnight is on Sunday. This is the first fortnight that requires confirmation. To be clear, confirmation is not required for 30 August to 12 September, and you should wait for the webpage to be updated to 13 September to 26 September.

        Note: the first fortnight that confirmation is required for the Micro-business Grant is 20 September to 3 October. Some of the web guidance incorrectly advises from 10 September and from 26 September. The correct date is 20 September.

        I have raised the issue of those who have already confirmed for 30 August to 12 September, and am awaiting a response.

        As for clients that did not experience a DIT of 30% or more before 13 September, and received a payment without confirmation, the guidance is not clear. However, regardless of dates, if it is subsequently found that a business or NFP received JobSaver when they were not eligible, the NSW Government may recover that overpayment. SNSW is asking recipients who are no longer eligible to call them on 13 77 88.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1740
      JasmineChen
      Participant

      Hi Robyn,

      Thanks so much for all the efforts, much appreciated.

      Just have one question regarding the September payment which the business may have already received on 27 September for the fortnight ending 26/9. if the client confirmed Not Eligible for 13/9-26/9 but passed the test for the following fortnights, do they need to pay back the payment received for the fortnight ending 26/9?

      Many Thanks

       

      Jasmine

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      • #1744
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Jasmine

        In response to your query, this is a common question. Please see my reply at #1743 in this thread. We will be able to share more information soon.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1741
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      The guidance for the registered charities was released today. You will find it at Attachment E of the JobSaver Guidelines.

      Key points:

      • Certain charities registered with the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission (ACNC).
      • Have experienced a decline in turnover (DIT) of at least 15% and less than 30% due to the Public Health Order.
      • If DIT is 30% or more, the charity should apply under the main JobSaver scheme.
      • This extension does not apply to NFPs broadly — it is confined to registered charities that are registered with the ACNC under one of only two subtypes:
        – Advancing social or public welfare; or
        – Preventing or relieving the suffering of animals.
      • Weekly payments are a minimum of $1,500 per week, up to a maximum of $100,000 per week.
      • Aggregated turnover must be between $75,000 and $250 million (inclusive) for the year ended 30 June 2020.
      • The DIT is worked out over a minimum 2-week period on or after 26 June 2021, based on the 3 standard comparison periods that apply to other applicants.
      • Gifts (e.g. donations) and government grants should be included when calculating aggregated annual turnover or the DIT (this is different to JobKeeper).
      • They must maintain their employee headcount as of 27 August 2021 (not 13 July 2021).

      Applications will open soon.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

       

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    • #1743
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      UPDATE — RECONFIRMING ELIGIBILITY

      We have been hearing, and understand, the concerns and frustrations associated with reconfirming eligibility for JobSaver for 30 August to 12 September.

      Please be assured that the issues have been raised with the NSW Government, and we will be able to share more information, and provide clarity, in the coming days.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

       

       

       

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      • #1748
        LeoCia
        Participant

        Hi Robyn,

        Appreciate all your effort in dealing with the confusion.  Clients currently trying to re-confirm are presented with the period 30 August to 12 September 2021.  These clients have been paid for both the fortnight 30/8/2021 to 12/9/2021 and 13/9/2021 to 26/9/2021.  If these clients confirm that they are no longer experiencing a decline in turnover of 30% will they need to pay back all of September 2021 jobsaver.  The email reminder from Service NSW requesting confirmation for the Jobsaver payment for 13-26 September states “You will have received this payment even if you haven’t yet confirmed eligibility, however payments scheduled for October may be affected.”

        Clients need to know if they will have to pay back their September 2021 Jobsaver that were automatically paid by Service NSW.

        Thanks

        Leo

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        • #1753
          RobynTax
          Moderator

          Hi Leo

          This is a common question. As we shared in some comms with members this evening, and in a thread on this post:

          If a business or NFP has reconfirmed their eligibility for the fortnight from 30 August to 12 September 2021, but has since realised they have not experienced a decline in turnover of 30% or more due to the Public Health Order, they should contact Service NSW to advise they are not eligible.

          Essentially, the NSW Government is expecting businesses to morally do the right thing by advising if they are no longer eligible. The business or NFP will need to repay any overpayments. Service NSW will advise the mechanism for repaying overpayments soon. In the meantime, sit tight and ensure your clients set aside the funds so they can be readily repaid when required.

          Regards

          Robyn Jacobson, CTA
          Senior Advocate
          The Tax Institute

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    • #1745
      SueVukici
      Participant

      HI Robyn

       

      Just following up on my previous enquiry regarding whether there was any change by the government to allow businesses who used 2019 or 2020 comparison dates to opt for the 2021 comparison period instead due to the 12 – 25 June 2021 comparison period being introduced some time after.

       

      Kind regards

       

      Sue

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      • #1746
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Sue

        As you know, this has been raised with the NSW Government, and we continue to work through this with them.

        I shall reach out to you and arrange to discuss offline.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1747
      KyliePhelan Laws
      Participant

      Hi Robyn,

      Your efforts on this program are much appreciated. Just have one question regarding the turnover for JobSaver. I have a client operates nationally. When it does the turnover test for eligibility, should it take the national turnover or the turnover only for NSW component?

      Regards,

      FC

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      • #1752
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Kylie

        Thank you for your query. The decline in turnover should be based on the modified GST turnover of the business, worked out using the same basis as is used to report GST on the BAS (i.e. cash vs accrual). The modifications to ‘GST turnover’ are explained at Clause 7 of the JobSaver Guidelines.

        Nothing in the Guidelines indicates that the GST turnover (as modified) is confined to the NSW component. So a client who operates nationally should use the national turnover in their calculations.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1750
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      UPDATE — JOBSAVER RECONFIRMATION OF ELIGIBILITY

      There has been some recent confusion surrounding the first fortnight for which reconfirmation of eligibility for NSW JobSaver payments is required. We understand the frustration this has caused, and seek to allay this confusion with an update following our meeting this afternoon with the NSW Government.

      Although some businesses and not-for-profit organisations (NFPs) will have already reconfirmed their eligibility for JobSaver, or alternatively advised that they are not eligible, for the fortnight from 30 August to 12 September 2021, this fortnight will be removed from the confirmation webpage by the end of this week.

      This will not affect the making of payments for that fortnight, but it will allow businesses and NFPs to reconfirm their eligibility for the fortnight from 13 September to 26 September 2021 without having to confirm the fortnight from 30 August to 12 September 2021.

      If a business or NFP has reconfirmed their eligibility for the fortnight from 30 August to 12 September 2021, but has since realised they have not experienced a decline in turnover of 30% or more due to the Public Health Order, they should contact Service NSW to advise they are not eligible.

      Essentially, the NSW Government is expecting businesses to morally do the right thing by advising if they are no longer eligible. The business or NFP will need to repay any overpayments. Service NSW will advise the mechanism for repaying overpayments soon. In the meantime, sit tight and ensure your clients set aside the funds so they can be readily repaid when required.

      We understand this may give rise to further questions, and invite you to raise your concerns via this thread.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1751
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      REMINDER ABOUT PROGRAM DEADLINES

      We take this opportunity to remind you that applications for:

      • the NSW COVID-19 Business Grant must be lodged by 11:59pm on Friday 1 October 2021; and
      • the JobSaver payment and the COVID-19 Micro-business Grant must be lodged by 11:59pm on Monday 18 October 2021.

      Businesses or NFPs that are yet to lodge their application for this support and are uncertain about their eligibility should contact Service NSW on 13 77 88 from Monday to Friday between 7:00am and 7:00pm (Sydney time).

      There will be further updates in the days and weeks ahead. We will continue to support you and will provide further information as it becomes available.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1755
      AdeleW
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      So, a business who hasn’t checked their decline in turnover and doesn’t report anything at all for 30 August – 12 September won’t have to pay anything back. But a business who did report will?

       

      Either the re-assessment of eligibility starts 30 August-12 Sept or it doesn’t. Service NSW can’t just hope businesses will do what they want them to do without explicitly advising what that is.

       

      I thought it was a widespread concession that the re-assessment was permanently moved to the fortnight commencing 13 September. If that is not the case, ServiceNSW really needs to be clear about that so we can appropriately advise clients.

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      • #1756
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Adele

        If a business confirmed they are eligible for 30 August – 12 September and they are eligible, this is fine. They will have received their payment and can proceed with confirming 13–26 September .

        If a business confirmed they are eligible for 30 August – 12 September and they are not eligible, they should contact SNSW and advise that they are not eligible. Once SNSW has advised the process for repaying overpayments, arrangements will be made for the business to repay the funds.

        If a business did not confirm they are eligible for 30 August – 12 September and they are eligible, this is fine. They received their payment, and will be able to confirm 13–26 September without having to do the work to confirm the earlier fortnight.

        If a business did not confirm they are eligible for 30 August – 12 September and they are not eligible, they would still have received the payment. They should advise SNSW that they are not entitled to that payment. If they do not do so, they run the risk that they will be picked up in a compliance check and may be required to repay the overpayment.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1757
      MatthewKnight
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Static period in Services NSW states that you can only use this option in the following case:

      However, using a corresponding fortnight (Option 1) may not show a decline in turnover. Reasons for this can include your business being affected by bushfires, floods, illness or other factors at that time.

      Is this correct it is not an option to use unless the above reasons?

       

      Regards

       

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      • #1761
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Matthew

        Clause 3.11 of the JobSaver Guidelines says that: “If a business or not-for-profit organisation is ineligible based on the above criteria but is still suffering financial hardship, they may be eligible to apply through the hardship review pathway.”

        We are expecting further information on the hardship review pathway to be released very soon, as well as a pathway for those who have been impacted by, for example, natural disasters. This is designed for businesses or NFPs that do not technically qualify under the guidelines, but which are impacted by the Public Health Order.

        We will provide further information soon.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1764
      MichelleIrwin
      Participant

      Hi All & Robyn,

      Query re: Financial Hardship requirement Commercial Landlord Hardship Fund

      For the Commercial Landlord Hardship Fund has anyone seen more info on “attest that providing rent relief to the tenant(s) may cause financial hardship”.
      Could an SMSF that has plenty sitting in cash argue that reducing the rent will cause the fund to draw down on capital to pay pensions & therefore it causes financial hardship?
      Any definition of financial hardship ?

      Thanks for your help!

      MI

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    • #1765
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      I have a Sole Trader who has some casual employees only, ie no permanent employees, but none of the casuals have been employees for the required 12 months. Therefore his headcount to be maintained is NIL.  Subject to all the other conditions, does he qualify for the “employees” jobsaver of $1500 per week, or the non employing business Job Saver $1000 per week ? When filling in the application do we put in that he pays wages but has an employee count of NIL ? Or put in he is non employing ?

      Appreciate your input and thoughts

       

       

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    • #1769
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      We are aware that the JobSaver confirmation webpage still says 30 August – 12 September. At the moment, a business cannot confirm 13–26 September without confirming the earlier fortnight. We were advised last week that the fortnight 30 August – 12 September would be removed by the end of last week. We shared this in various members comms and on LinkedIn.

      I have advised Service NSW of this, and will provide an update as soon as I hear more.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1770
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      We have just been advised that the JobSaver confirmation webpage has been updated to now show 13–26 September without needing to confirm the earlier fortnight of 30 August – 12 September.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1772
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi all

      Further to my post #1765 where a Sole Trader had no permanent staff and only casual employees who all had less than 12 months employment so the Headcount under JobSaver guidelines is NIL, but showed a small amount of wages paid on the March 21 BAS.

      I have now had confirmation from Service NSW (via a phone discussion) where it was advised that the Sole Trader was entitled to the employing business JobSaver payment of $1500 per week, notwithstanding their headcount under the guidelines was Nil. Having the March 21 BAS lodged showing wages payments was critical to this point.

      However, to trigger the correct Payment from Service NSW they suggested completing the online application form as employee count of 1, (a sort of FTE equivalent) as putting in zero (0) would trigger the non employing business JobSaver payment of $1000 which was not the correct outcome.

       

      Hope this helps

      Gregory

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      • #1773
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Gregory

        Thank you for updating us on the outcome of your discussion with SNSW.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1777
      LeoCia
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      As mentioned in your post #1770, last week Service NSW updated JobSaver confirmation webpage to show 13–26 September without needing to confirm the earlier fortnight of 30 August – 12 September.  Many of my clients decided to wait until this coming week so that they could do the calculations for both fortnights 13-26 September and 27 Sept – 10 October.  I note however, some of my clients have just received notification of payment for the last fortnight 27 Sept – 10 October without the client re-confirming their eligibility?  My clients are confused if they should be reconfirming or not and also if repayment of Jobsaver is required if they have received payment for the last 2 fortnights and they may not be eligible.  Have you had any futher discussions with Service NSW regarding this?

      Kind Regards

      Leo

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    • #1778
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      I have similar position to Leo in post #1777.

      For 100% of the clients whose JobSaver applications I lodged, have received emails over the weekend saying JobSaver payments have been initiated. This is the case whether they have reconfirmed their eligibility to 26th September or not.  This is not my understanding of what was supposed to happen ???

      Secondly, a client who reconfirmed in the negative for the 30th August to 12th September (Ie he didn’t qualify for that fortnight) before the that fortnights reconfirmation requirement was removed, has not received any further reconfirmation emails for the subsequent fortnights, which I thought he was supposed to, so if they re-qualified for the later fortnights they could receive the payments ???.In his particular case it probably doesn’t matter as its doubtful if he will requalify anyway, but it is indicative of what may be happening to others as well.

      It still seems to be a very confusing position ????

      Many thanks

      Gregory

       

       

       

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    • #1780
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi Leo (post #1777) and Gregory (post #1778)

      We are aware of the confusion in respect of all these fortnights, and in particular, the latest confusion regarding the automatic payment for the fortnight from 27 September to 10 October.

      We are in the process of clarifying some correct messaging for our members with Service NSW and will share this soon.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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      • #1782
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi all

        FURTHER UPDATE — JOBSAVER RECONFIRMATION OF ELIGIBILITY: Oscillating in and out of JobSaver

        We sent an email to all our members a short time ago, providing further information about the JobSaver payment for the period from 27 Sep to 10 Oct 2021, and the revised situation for confirming eligibility. Some of this content is reproduced below.

        Due to the requirement to confirm eligibility each fortnight, it is possible that a business or not-for-profit organisation (NFP) can oscillate in and out of JobSaver until the end of the program.

        A business or NFP can oscillate in and out of JobSaver from 11 October 2021, depending on whether they continue to experience a decline in turnover of 30% or more due to the public health order for a particular fortnight.

        Payments were made for the three fortnights from 30 August to 10 October 2021 irrespective of whether the business confirmed its eligibility.

        The position may be summarised as follows:

        • Businesses or NFPs that are eligible for JobSaver payments for the three periods — from 30 Aug to 12 Sept 2021, 13 Sep to 26 Sep 2021 and from 27 Sep to 10 Oct 2021 — and either confirmed they were eligible or did not confirm whether they were eligible, will have automatically received JobSaver payments for those three fortnights. They will receive a reminder email for the period from 13 Sep to 26 Sep 2021 and for the period from 27 Sep to 10 Oct 2021, and each fortnight thereafter.
        • Businesses or NFPs that are ineligible for JobSaver payments for any or all of the three periods — from 30 Aug to 12 Sep 2021, 13 Sep to 26 Sep 2021 and from 27 Sep to 10 Oct 2021 — but either confirmed they were eligible or did not confirm whether they were eligible, will have automatically received JobSaver payments for those three fortnights. The business or NFP should contact Service NSW to advise they are ineligible for these JobSaver payments.
        • Businesses or NFPs that are eligible but confirmed they were not eligible for the period from 30 Aug to 12 Sep 2021 will not have received an email to reconfirm for the period from 13 Sep to 26 Sep 2021, or from 27 Sep to 10 Oct. They should contact Service NSW to arrange for confirmation of eligibility for these periods.
        • From 11 Oct 2021 until the end of the program, a business or NFP will receive a payment only if they confirm they are eligible for the particular period. A reminder email will be sent every fortnight so businesses and NFPs can reconfirm whether they are eligible for each period.
        • A business or NFP will not be able to confirm eligibility for any period until the preceding fortnight has been confirmed.
        • You should have already noted that the fortnight from 30 Aug to 12 Sep 2021 has now been removed from the confirmation webpage. Confirming eligibility for this period is not required. This does not affect the making of payments for that fortnight, but it has allowed businesses and NFPs to reconfirm their eligibility for the fortnight from 13 Sep to 26 Sep 2021 without having to confirm the fortnight from 30 Aug to 12 Sep 2021.
        • Any business or NFP that is ineligible and has received an overpayment will need to repay any overpayments. Service NSW will advise the mechanism for repaying overpayments soon. In the meantime, sit tight and ensure your clients set aside the funds so they can be readily repaid when required.

        We understand this may give rise to further questions, and invite you to raise your concerns via this thread.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1783
      AmandaG
      Participant

      Hi Robyn,

      Thank you for the update.

      Can you please advise what the current ruling is on using the pre lockdown June 21 fortnight to re-confirm eligibility as that option was not available at the time of application. The business has grown and it will be a far suitable period to use as comparison to verify the decline in turnover during lockdown.

      Are you aware of an issue with the platform that when you confirm you were not eligible for a an earlier fortnight that they suspend all payments and options on the client going foward? Ie Not eligible FN2 and now suspended payments and can’t confirm FN3?

      We are managing a large number of applications and clarity and direction from Service NSW is poor.

      Thanks in advance.

      Amanda

       

       

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      • #1785
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Amanda

        Thank you for your response and query. I will contact you to discuss offline.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1784
      MelanieWeller
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Many thanks for all your hard work over the last few months in providing us informative and timely webinars on the Covid-19 Suppport measures.

      I have a question about reconfirming eligibility for JobSaver. The Service NSW websites states for Option 2:

      Using a corresponding fortnight (Option 1) may not show a decline in turnover. Reasons for this can include your business being affected by bushfires, floods, illness or other factors at that time.

      If this is the case, you can use the same comparison fortnight you used in your application.

      Does this mean that if there is not a reason, we can’t use Option 2?

      Kind Regards

      Melanie

       

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      • #1786
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Melanie

        Thank you for your response and query. I will contact you to discuss offline.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1787
      DennisTsai
      Participant

      Dear Robyn

      I have exactly same question as Melanie above.

      I don’t believe this has been included in the initial requirements.

      Can we still using Option 2 Static comparison period?

      Could you please clarify as it’s really confusing to us and they keep changing the rules without consultation with Tax professional bodies.

      Many thanks again for your hard work and provide updates to us.

      Best regards

      Dennis

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    • #1790
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      In response to posts 1757, 1784 and 1787 above, we will raise this issue with SNSW in a meeting later today. The NSW Government has not previously indicated that Option 2 was available only to businesses that may not show a decline in turnover under Option 1 because of ‘bushfires, floods, illness or other factors at that time’.

      I will provide clarification when able.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1792
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      To provide clarification and respond to posts 1757, 1784 and 1787 above, this issue was raised with SNSW today.

      In working out whether a business continues to experience the requisite decline in turnover (DIT), a business that chose 2019 or 2020 as the comparison period in their initial application must use the same calendar year as was used in the initial application but they may choose to use either the rolling comparison period under Option 1 or the static comparison period under Option 2.

      Consistent with our understanding, the NSW Government today confirmed that Option 2 is available to businesses that may not show a DIT under Option 1.

      The wording ‘reasons for this can include your business being affected by bushfires, floods, illness or other factors at that time’ was used to illustrate examples where a business may not show a DIT under Option 1 and could use Option 2.

      However, the wording ‘bushfires, floods, illness …’ created the false impression that Option 2 is available only to businesses that may not show a DIT under Option 1 because of these types of circumstances which we would generally regard as exceptional. This is not the case, and this wording will be removed from the guidance.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

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    • #1795
      JenniferPang
      Participant

      Hi Robyn,

      Many thanks to you and the Tax Institute for all your hardwork in keeping us updated with the COVID-19 support measures.

       

      In regards to reconfirming Jobsaver eligibility, in reference to the options to compare a business decline in turnover with the current eligibility period, would you kindly clarify must a business show no decline in turnover under Option 1 to be eligible to use Option 2?

      I note the Service NSW website under Option 2 states:

      ‘However, using a corresponding fortnight (Option 1) may not show a decline in turnover. If this is the case, you can use the same comparison fortnight you used in your application.’

      If a business can show a decline in turnover of between 1-29% under Option 1 is it still eligible to use Option 2?

      If a business can show a decline in turnover of 30% or more under Option 1 is it still eligible to choose to use Option 2?

       

      Kind Regards

      Jen

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      • #1798
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Jen

        It is not a requirement for a business to show no decline in turnover (DIT) under Option 1 to be eligible to use Option 2. Both Option 1 and Option 2 are available to a business that used 2019 or 2020 as the comparison period in the initial application (as previously mentioned many times, you of course must use the same calendar year as that in the initial application, and once an option is selected, that option must be used for the remainder of the program).

        So, if a business has a DIT of 1%-29% under Option 1, it is eligible to use Option 2 for the first retesting.

        And if a business has a DIT of 30% or more under Option 1, it is eligible to choose to use Option 2 (this assumes logically that the business is eligible using either Option 1 or Option 2). If this is the case, it may be easier to use Option 2 because this is static and therefore involves less work than a rolling comparison period under Option 1.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1800
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      The client had reconfirmations outstanding for 26 September and 10 October. The client was not eligible for 26 September but was eligible for 10 October.

      When you process the reconfirmation for 26 September (as a not entitled) the Service NSW website says your payments have been suspended, and the reconfirmation option for for 10 October is then not available and does not appear. Therefore we have not processed a reconfirmation for 10 October, but service NSW website shows “No Action is Required”

      The funds have been received as Service NSW paid these automatically.

      I rang Service NSW and was advised it was OK as the funds had been received, and a reconfirmation for 10 October was not required, and emails for reconfirmation would be received for next fortnight.

      We will wait and see what happens next fortnight, as this is not what has happened for another client who (correctly) processed a not entitled reconfirmation from the removed reconfirmation fortnight 13th August. They have not received any further emails since then. Luckily they have not been eligible since then but……….

      Many thanks

      Gregory

       

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    • #1801
      DennisTsai
      Participant

      Dear Robyn

      Hope you are well.

      I’ve a very similar question as Gregory post above.

      My client is not eligible for 13 Sep to 26 Sep but will be eligible for the 27 Sep to 10 Oct.

      But once we declared 13 Sep to 26 Sep, the website will shown no action required.

      I’ve spent more than one hour waiting to speak to someone from Service NSW to bring back the eligibility confirmation.

      Are you able to speak to Service NSW to change their website, my colleague spent 3 hours on the phone to resolve this.

      It’s waste both Service NSW and our time.

      Many thanks.

      Best regards

      Dennis

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    • #1802
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi Gregory and Dennis

      In response to your posts #1800 and #1801, I want to let you know, in case you missed it, that The Tax Institute shared information with all of our members in an email titled ‘Further update on JobSaver reconfirmation of eligibility’ around 5:40pm on Tuesday 12 October 2021.

      The relevant extract from that email reads as follows:

      • Businesses or NFPs that are eligible but confirmed they were not eligible for the period from 30 August to 12 September 2021 will not have received an email to reconfirm for the period from 13 September to 26 September 2021, or from 27 September to 10 October. They should contact Service NSW to arrange for confirmation of eligibility for these periods.

      The same applies if a business confirmed they were not eligible for the period from 13 to 26 September. In both of your cases, your clients confirmed they were not eligible for the period from 13 to 26 September. This was during the period that SNSW continued to make payments automatically regardless of what was confirmed.

      This has the following implications:

      • Your clients will have likely received a payment for 13 to 26 September that they were not entitled to receive. This is regarded as an overpayment, and would ordinarily have to be repaid. However, a repayment mechanism is not yet in place, so you will need to discuss this with SNSW. If your client has not received a later payment that they are eligible for, a net adjustment may be required (either in your client’s favour or against) depending on where they land over the remaining fortnights.
      • As your clients advised they were not eligible for 13 to 26 September, the system has not allowed them to confirm their eligibility for a later fortnight. This changed from 11 October, and a business can now oscillate in and out of JobSaver each fortnight for the remainder of the program. However, for earlier fortnights, as they confirmed they were not eligible, they need to contact SNSW to arrange to ‘come back into’ JobSaver, but you won’t need to reapply and be reassessed like the initial application.

      Gregory, it is not correct that ‘… it was OK as the funds had been received, and a reconfirmation for 10 October was not required, and emails for reconfirmation would be received for next fortnight’. A reconfirmation is required, but the payment for 10 October was automatic and not dependent on the confirmation. Recurring emails for reconfirmation will happen in 2 situations:

      • for the period 27 Sep to 10 Oct where the business confirmed they were eligible for 13 to 26 September; and
      • for fortnights starting from 11 October.

      If you continue to experience issues and unacceptable delays, please email me at taxpolicy@taxinstitute.com.au, so that I can call you to discuss. If appropriate, I can escalate your matter to our contact at SNSW.

      If you cannot find our email from 12 October, please let me know and I can forward you the email that contains more detailed information about oscillating in and out of JobSaver.

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

       

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    • #1810
      GregoryStott
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Further to my post #1800 and your reply #1802 the saga continues.

      For clients that were ineligible for any previous fortnight, and reconfirmed as such, the automatic reconfirmation option for the current fortnight has NOT appeared on the Service NSW website. In effect, Service NSW are not permitting, through the auto reconfirmation option, businesses to oscillate in and out of the program depending on their turnover movements. For any business that oscillates out and then back in again subsequently, it seems necessary to telephone Service NSW and try to get it processed manually, thus taking considerably longer and increasing costs !

      Secondly, a client for which I lodged their original Job Saver application only a week or so ago, had the application approved and payments made. Once payments were initiated late last week, the automatic reconfirmation option for the fortnight to 26th September appeared on Service NSW Website. It was there for 2 days, however as of this morning has disappeared from the Service NSW website and no reconfirmation options for any fortnight are available. Its as if Service NSW have somehow deemed the client to be no longer eligible.

      Many thanks for your support through this program, it has been invaluable.

      Gregory

       

       

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    • #1816
      PShah
      Participant

      Just sharing that as of this morning, the automatic reconfirmation option for a client that was not eligible for the previous fortnight (but is now eligible) is still not available.

      Thanks, Gregory and Robyn for your comments so far on this matter.

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    • #1864
      AdelaideHuie
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Thanks for all your hardwork in keeping us updated with the COVID-19 support measures.

      I have the following questions on JobSaver…

      1. When applying for JobSaver clients were required to enter wages details from the most recent BAS lodged prior to 26 June 2021. In some instances the most recent IAS instead of the BAS was inadvertently used. None of the clients I dealt with were advised by Services NSW that the incorrect document was used in the application process. Did Services NSW verify  what was lodged and if the incorrect document was used to declare wages did they obtain correct details from the ATO and make the necessary adjustments?
      2. If  Services NSW does not accept the IAS (which in the Tax Institute webinar confirmed the BAS was required) how can the client be request an amendment? Last I spoke to Services NSW they advised that you had to call them up, advise of the error and someone from the financial team would get back to the client. Clients were not keen to go through this process but were not averse to lodging something online via Services NSW website. Are Services NSW looking to add an “ amendment” feature to their website?
      3. JobSaver is ending on 30/11/2021 (payment will be for a 10 period) but Services NSW is requesting turnover details for the fortnight 22/11 to 05/12/2021. Is this correct or is a typo?

      Many Thanks

      Adelaide

       

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      • #1866
        RobynTax
        Moderator

        Hi Adelaide

        Thank you for your queries. In response to the first two queries, I have escalated them to Service NSW (SNSW) for further advice.

        In response to your query about the end of the reporting fortnight of 5 December 2021, this is correct. JobSaver payments ended on 30 November 2021. Businesses need to reconfirm their eligibility for the final fortnight from 22 November to 5 December 2021 by 31 January 2022. The final payment, however, covers 21 November to 30 November 2021 only. This is not a complete fortnight, so payments will be prorated so that the JobSaver final fortnightly payment will cover a total of 10 days.

        This approach was preferred by the Working Group (in which The Tax Institute has played an active role) than a reporting period of only 10 days as this would have meant determining an equivalent comparison period of just 10 days.

        I will revert once I have heard back from SNSW on the first two queries.

        Regards

        Robyn Jacobson, CTA
        Senior Advocate
        The Tax Institute

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    • #1867
      AdelaideHuie
      Participant

      Hi Robyn

      Thanks for the above.

      Regards

      Adelaide

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    • #1871
      RobynTax
      Moderator

      Hi all

      Our latest blog on the NSW COVID-19 support measures is available here.

      The blog explains:

      • How to report the final fortnights for the JobSaver payment and the Micro-business grant — you have until 31 January 2022 to do this
      • The tapered payment rates and provides full schedules for both measures
      • The expanded Small Business Fees and Charges Rebate that has been increased by $500 to $2,000 (previously a maximum of $1,500).

      Regards

      Robyn Jacobson, CTA
      Senior Advocate
      The Tax Institute

       

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